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this from -- should chris christie be publicly shamed into losing weight. this from paul i'm sure governor christie is well aware he's a few pounds overweight. it's his right to remain the weight he wants to be and it's the voters right to consider his health when voting time comes. and this from kevin, as a fat person, i'm disgusted by this entire topic. governor christie's weight has nothing to do with why i would never vote for him. maybe i'm wrong. please continue the conversation. slash carol cnn or tweet me @carolcnn. thank you for joining me today. we hope you expanded our expanded talkback show. keep the conversation going. cnn newsroom continues with ashleigh banfield. carol, thanks so much. hello, everyone. first came the manifesto, and then came the murders. and now los angeles police officers are being forced to watch their backs this morning
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after an ex-cop allegedly made good on threats to kill fellow officers and their families. christopher dorner was fired from the force after a series of hearings in which he felt he had been wronged. and now he's threatening to quote, bring asymmetrical and unconventional warfare to any la cop on duty or off. the body count is mounting. one officer is dead. another wounded. also dead, a former officer's daughter and her fiance. we are watching this story as it continues to develop. but again, la police officers at this hour are themselves in need of protection. we are not being given a lot of details to o exactly where they've are looking for this man. but make no mistake he has a history not only in law enforcement but in military, and it's very difficult to find someone when he knows the tricks of the trade. this is no ordinary manhunt. right now the la cops at their
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peak. paul vercammen has been watching this and following what we can get in terms of the public information on this. paul, where do we stand right now with how they are trying to track this man? >> reporter: well, basically, it is an all out manhunt for a man that they believe is extremely dangerous, who they believe is now involved in three separate shooting incidents. if you look over my right shoulder, you can see how serious they are. police in the background there with their fingers on their trigger guards, guns pointed in the air. this is just one of a couple areas, that have been sealed off in downtown riverside. let me tell you what happened in riverside at about 1:30 this morning. police told us that two officers on routine patrol, riverside police officers, were ambushed by the suspect dorner. now, separate from that, earlier this evening, in corona,
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california or earlier last evening, i should say, an lapd officer on patrol, apparently leaving the freeway. this is according to the lapd, was shot, grazed in the head. if you look at the manifesto from dorner, we can call this a hit list of lapd officers, who he was upset with. basically, it's believed that he is now trying to exact a measure of revenge against all of the people who somehow angered him. and in reading the manifesto, he alluded to being fired. he said terminating me for telling the truth about a caucasian officer kicking a mentally ill person is disgusting. a mentally ill man. a lot of other clues in the manifesto. he was talking about some of his military background, and he said that, you are aware i was always the top shot and the highest scorer and expert in rifle qualifications in every unit. and he goes on to say, i will utilize every bit of small arms
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training, demolitions, ordinance and survival training. he has a military background. bone chilling at the end, he said in this manifesto, he would exact revenge on the family members of these officers he's upset with. he said i have the strength and the benefits of being unpredictable. right now, an all out manhunt for dorner here in about nine california counties. they are trying to basically locate him. and they are very frustrated, because they told us, when we arrive here, they just don't know if he's going to come after any of the officers on scene. back to you. >> paul, the threats are unbelievable. just to see the officers like sitting ducks out there, nine counties. palm, stand by for a moment. barbara starr at the pentagon also has some remarkable information about this suspect's past in the military. barbara, this man knows how to use a rifle. he's been awarded for his
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marksmanship. >> reporter: that's right. the u.s. navy quickly assembling what records it has on this man. and telling us he was a navy reservist. just until a few days ago, he separated from the naval service. we don't know when the last time is he showed up. but he has shooting expertise. let's go through it. according to navy records, he has been awarded the rifle marksman ribbon and the pistol expert medal. these are awarded for achieving a certain level of shooting accuracy at various distances. let's be clear. the plan is not a navy commander, he's not a navy s.e.a.l. he held a number of jobs as a reservist in navy security operations. in fact, he went to iraq, we are told, and had a job providing military security on iraqi oil platforms, to have that job, it is most likely we are told he
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did receive some advanced weapons training. you will remember back in those days, those oil platforms, a lot of concern about small boat attacks, sniper attacks, that sort of thing. so he clearly has a certain level, a worrisome level of weapons expertise. the police know this. they know what they are dealing with. what he has on hand now in terms of weapons, of course, is the major concern. ashleigh. >> barbara, i'm reading here his last day of affiliation with the navy as a reservist was february 1st of this year. we are talking about -- what's astounding here -- i was going to say he has eight awards, eight different awards including the ones you mentioned. but any idea about his mental illness or his mental health or anything that the military might have on him? >> reporter: let me talk about that for a second. we asked about that, because it was astounding, when you look at the record, you and i are looking at the same document,
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february 1st, 2013 is listed. february 1st as his last day of service in the reservists. what they are trying to figure out, was he on some sort of, if you will, leave, vacation time, separation? had he basically stopped serving as a reservist some weeks or months before that, and this is the day he was officially taken off the rolls? we are trying to figure that out. the military is trying to figure that out right now. i think it's very safe to assume the military trying to share whatever information they are able to with law enforcement out in california. and of course, as you look at the pictures that paul is showing out in riverside county. this is all my hometown. the freeways, the distances there, he can get on the freeway, disappear pretty quick. it will be tough to catch this guy. >> multiple counties now under this kind of surveillance and watch. they are at the ready.
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barbara, stand by, if you will. i want to bring in steve, who is on the phone from valhalla, new york, a former police detective and criminal investigator. steve, you heard how we introduced what kind of a suspect we are dealing with. a former navy lieutenant, barbara starr reported he did military security on iraqi oil platforms, he has the rifle marksmanship ribbon and is a former lapd officer. this is one hell of a manhunt. >> it is. and the most dangerous thing about this man is his mind set. he knows what law enforcement's plan is, he knows their tactics, he kboes their strengths and weaknesses. so he will know when to strike. and with that marksmanship ability, he could take out police officers from hundreds of yards away. and this is like a cles game, only with deadly consequences. >> doesn't this go both ways? he knows their tactics, but they also know his as well.
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>> yeah. there is no human being more dangerous than a police officer that has military background, that has weaponry -- the experience in weaponry that he has. it's difficult, because they are hunting him. but he's hunting them. they will never know where he'll show up. he has that advantage over law enforcement. >> in the code of blue, isn't this considered the ultimate betrayal? it goes without saying. but take me inside the force in terms of the level of betrayal that this is. >> we rely on each other, we are brothers and sisters in blue. we depend on one another every day, every minute we wear that uniform. so this is the ultimate act of betrayal, a former police officer turning against his own. there's no more dangerous person on earth that would kill like this, police officers. one of his own at the time. he's one of the most dangerous individuals right now in the united states.
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>> we are just looking at live pictures, i hope at the same time you can see them, of officers who are literally at the ready with their weapons. and you can see them every so often literally turning 360, i can only imagine no matter where they are in the nine counties where officers are now sitting ducks, because he opened this manifesto to anyone in the uniform at work or play, how did they prosecute their work? and how do they protect their lives at the same time? >> they have to be highly diligent, hialegh lely alert. they can't drop their guard. they have to approach every call, every single stop sign that they stop at as a potential threat. it could be a deadly threat. >> steve kardian, please standby. we will keep our eyes on this story and update throughout the hour. that manhunt in riverside, california and elsewhere around the la area continues for christopher jordan dorner, 33
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years old, ex-military, ex-cop and vowing in a manifesto to kill anyone in an lapd uniform and their families. also another story we are following, a community in shock, after a 17-year-old boy is found handcuffed in the basement of his own family's home. and get this, police say he had been there for months. we will hear about his ordeal coming up in a live report from kansas city, missouri. benghazi in the spotlight again. right now a senate panel is hearing testimony on the pentagon's response to the attack on u.s. facilities there. the senators also asking questions about an internal review following that attack. defense secretary leon panetta responded to criticism regarding the response time. >> we were not dealing with a prolonged or continuous assault, which could have been brought to an end by a u.s. military response. very simply, although we had forces deployed to the region,
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time, distance, the lack of an adequate warning, events that moved quickly on the ground prevented a more immediate response. >> after lunch today, president obama's pick for cia director is going to have to answer for the death by drone overseas. john brennan will go before the senate intelligence committee after four years as the president's counter terrorism aide during which he championed the use of drones or unmanned aircraft to take out perceived threats to the homeland. even perceived threats who may be u.s. citizens. a white house agreed only yesterday to give some lawmakers a 50 page legal rationale written by the justice department in 2010 outlining their policy on u.s. citizens abroad who are threats to us and the right to take them out. we will talk more about drones and the law in our legal segment later this hour specifically how it relates to you here at home.
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. they argue and they back bite on a daily basis. but at least once a year the most powerful people in washington have breakfast together. and they also pray. and today was president obama's fifth appearance at the national prayer breakfast. he says it's a wonderful event. but one that in his experience wears off all too quickly. >> when i go back to the oval office and i start watching the cable news networks, and it's like, we didn't pray. >> i hope he was watching us. president says his hope is for humility, that carries over every day. maybe he should hope for a prayer breakfast every day. in about 24 hours, we are really in for a rude awakening here in the northeast. it's coming in the form of a
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very powerful nor'easter. and it's stirring up a lot of bad memories. it's expected to hit on the 35th anniversary of that, on your screen is the 1978 blizzard. and if you weren't alive or you were too young to remember, it was awful. or so i'm toad. let's get straight to meteorologist chad myers who is standing by. i am very, very confused by what i have been told about this nor'easter. depending what models you are looking at we will get three inches of snow or three and a half feet. i don't understand how it could be so widely diverging. >> let me describe the issue we have. and people are saying how come it's so wrong? how come you are so widely scattered. 15 years ago we would never have started talking about computer model forecast numbers 48 hours before the storm. wouldn't have talked about it. we would have said wait, we don't know yet. wait until we know more. then 12 hours before the storm we would have given you a
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number. we looked at all these models, here's the deal. this is the quarterback. let's go back to the super bowl. this is the wide receiver. the quarterback is going to try to throw a ball here. the wide receiver is going to try to catch it. if they both cross at the same time, this storm doubles in intensity. you get the moisture and the cold and it comes together. and it does what we call a fuji wara effect. they spin around each other. it makes more snow than what we would get if just that rolled across. which would be six or eight inches. or if this rolled across, which would be two to three inches. you multiply them together it's like superstorm sandy, the cold on one side, the warm on the other. one plus one equaled three. that is what we have here. rain moving up the east coast, snow coming across parts of the northern plains. and then the winter storm advisories, warnings, watches, bliz afterward warnings for boston, hartford, providence. i could see new york city between six and 12 inches. yesterday i was thinking probably three, because it was going to be warmer.
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now it seems colder, this model is 12.8 for new york. then for new york city on the next one here, models are coming in. we have 11.3. that's why we are at the 6 to 12 for the city. look at the numbers east. three feet for boston. >> i only have a few seconds. in 1978 i was looking through some of the data, it looks like $500 million in damage back then, which was a lot. i think over 100 people dead. are we looking at something this lethal? or are we now in a better place, because we can at least forecast a bit better? >> if you are on the highway and it's snowing and you are stuck, you are putting yourself in danger. it will be that bad. people will perish from this storm. so yes, i hope it's not 100. but i-95 will get stopped. if you are one of those cars that is stopped and wind chill zero, you can't see, there's going to be trouble. >> i'm glad you said that i think a lot of people think of a big snowstorm and don't think of a lethal snowstorm. keep on that for us.
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ine . in one of the most closely watched trials since casey anthony, jody arias has an arizona courtroom transfixed. she's on the stand for a third day now claiming self defense in the 2008 murder of her ex-boyfriend. frankly what is coming from the stand is nothing short of disgusting. we want to warn you there are very graphic sexual descriptions, but here's the issue. that testimony just happens to be critical to her case. >> reporter: jody arias fessed up to sordid details of a racy sex life with a man she now says she had to kill to save herself. a man with whom intimate and graphic sex encounters seemed common place. but now form the cornerstone of her defense, no matter how embarrassing when detailed out loud. >> he unzipped his pants. he began to have anal sex with
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me. >> given that it was painful, why didn't you tell him no. >> i knew that is what he wanted for a while. and i just trusted him. >> reporter: travis alexander was an elder in the mormon church risking and communication for engaging in premarital sex. so he demanded anal sex instead convinced she said it did not violate a vow of chaftit. she felt like a prostitute with him. when explicit photos showed up in court, so did jody's tears. >> what are those pictures of. >> of travis's erection. >> how did you come into possession of these photos? >> they were sent to me. >> how? >> via his phone.
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>> reporter: despite the tears arias admitted on the stand the pictures didn't scare her away. quite the opposite, her feelings for him got stronger. she even joined him in the mormon church. >> the more i discovered about the church the more i realized it did not conflict with my beliefs. and it was in alignment with a lot of the values i had. >> reporter: there's been a river of sexually graphic details coming from the stand. one thing is for sure. there's a prosecutor, just waiting in the wings for a cross examination that is bound to get ugly and draw tears from the stand yet again. after all, this is literally the fight of jody's life. >> following this trial from phoenix is beth karas. beth, the detail in this trial is unlike almost any other that you and i have covered together. that's the problem here. the devil is in these details.
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these dirty details are what her defense is all about. >> reporter: yes indeed. in fact, the defense plans to call two experts following jody arias' testimony. one in domestic violence. the other a psychologist. they relied on her history, her childhood, abuse allegations she has made. more importantly her relationships with men and significantly her relationship with travis alexander. the defense says jody arias was his dirty little secret and he was demeaning, degrading. and basically they will try to get inside her mind at the time she was killing him. because she has to explain why this overkill. she killed him three different ways and it seems to be far more than necessary to ward off any threat of deadly force being used against her. >> we had her on the stand three days and counting. and this is what i call the
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friendly fire. this is her lawyer asking and eliciting friendly questions to get her story. we just showed that prosecutor, he is just chomping at the bit. what will happen when he takes over on cross? >> reporter: you are right about that. juan martinez is an extremely skilled litigator, he tried over 300 cases has been in the office more than two decades. he's one of the top prosecutors in the office. and he sits there like a statue. you think he might be lost in thought. he's not. he will object strategically. he's taking in everything. he's making notes. he will be going after her on cross examination. i'm sure he will dismantle what he can of her story, because he does not believe i'm sure everything that she is saying. she's known to be a liar. he will have to show what she's lying about. the question is, will jody be able to give the kind of details she's been giving to date about the killing itself?
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>> and you with your wonderful former prosecutorial temperament used the word dismantle. i say tear to shreds, he will read those lies one after the other. stay on the story. great work. thank you. beth karas joining us live. follow all of the developments in the jody arias case. truly it's a riveting case, dirty details, yes. about the incredible legal questions, true tv and the source for the info. to buy one. entirey no. no. no. yes! a website that works like a wedding registry. but for a car. first, you customize it. then let people sponsor the car's parts as gifts. dad sponsors the engine for your birthday. grandma sponsors the rims for graduation. the car gets funded. then you pick up your new dodge dart at the dealership. and all that's left to do is say thanks. easy. ♪
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with quote multiple signs of short circuiting. hopefully some answers coming from that. a shocking and heart breaking story out of missouri today. a 17-year-old boy found handcuffed to a pole in his own family's basement. police say he has been there since september. he is frail. neighbors say he's mentally challenged. and they say he was only allowed three bathroom trips per day. he was also only given oatmeal, noodles and baloney sandwiches. casey wian joins us live. how on earth could this have gone on for this long? >> reporter: it's hard to believe, isn't it, ashleigh? this is the house where the 17-year-old teenager according to police was chained up, nearly around the clock since september. if you look at the house, you can see between that air-conditioning unit and that bush is a tiny window there. that's where the basement was.
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he was down there according to police handcuffed to some sort of steel support structure. when they entered the house, after hearing these reports from neighbors, who were concerned about this young man's welfare, the police say the first thing he said to them, this young man was, i didn't do anything. also they say he was in a fetal position on the floor. and he had his face, it was sunken in on both sides. his eyes had a look of desperation. neighbors said that they had witnessed instances of him sleeping out on the porch because his parents allegedly would not let him inside. they knew that there was trouble. some of those neighbors have expressed regret that they did not say anything to authorities earlier. right now police -- earlier this week police took this young man into custody, took him to the hospital and put him under protection of social services.
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also there was a two-year-old grandchild living in the residence, that child is now in protective custody as well. >> dear god. casey, that's just horrifying. just awful, awful story. casey wian reporting live. just remarkable. we will bring you the latest on how that boy is doing once investigators allow that information out. of course what's going to happen next in the case against the parents? back in a moment. a talking car. but i'll tell you what impresses me. a talking train. this ge locomotive can tell you exactly where it is, what it's carrying, while using less fuel. delivering whatever the world needs, when it needs it. ♪ after all, what's the point of talking if you don't have something important to say? ♪ i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans.
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the la police force whose job it is to serve and protect is in need of protection itself today. a former officer one of their own is threatening to bring quote, unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in uniform at work or at play. the man behind the threat is christopher dorner. he's suspected in killing at least three people, a full-blown manhunt is underway to find this man. joining me live is senior legal analyst jeffrey to be and i know defense attorney joey jackson. joey, let me begin with you. i keep wondering if this man is a dead man walking. they will either get him in a hail of bullets, or he will undoubtedly be up on a death penalty charge, if they catch him alive. >> yes. this is the type of story you don't think is going to end well. here's a person who apparently wanted to be a police officer all his life, was fired for whatever reasons they had to fire him. he apparently has a vendetta he
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wants to take out on everyone. so certainly a person like this whose admitted in his postings that he's depressed we know he's deranged. i don't have the feeling this will end well such there could ultimately be a capital murder prosecution. we will see. >> this underlines what we have been talking about so much. how do you know in advance who is going to snap in this way. there is no profile. there's an incredible piece in the current issue of the new yorker about the 45-year-old biology professor at the university of alabama who opened fire on a classroom of colleagues a number of years ago. >> i spoke to the husband face to face, children at home, seemed like a normal environment. >> you talk about obviously newtown, aurora, we don't have a template. we don't know whose going to behave this way. >> let me read you something, these are his words, allegedly his own words, a manifesto.
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i understand you don't know whose at a keyboard when you read something online. i know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that i'm suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that i do not enjoy, but must partake and complete for a substantial change to occur within the lapd and reclaim my name. joey jackson is that a confession, if they take him in alive, will most certainly come out in court and lead to potentially a death penalty conviction? >> absolutely, ashleigh. this is something that he is saying that he has to do. he has to satisfy whatever vendetta he has against action taken against him. so certainly those are admissions, those will freely be used against him in court. the reason of course it
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qualifies as capital murder. there are multiple circumstances. but this is a multiple killing. as a result, he really has a serious uphill battle ahead of himself, if it gets that far. as i mentioned it does not look like it will end well. >> that's true. remember, this is a side issue. the death penalty in california is so completely broken there are over 700 people on death row. they don't actually execute anybody. they sentence people to death, so people sit there on death row forever. it is a system that either they shouldn't have a death penalty, or they should administer is differently. it's just a complete disaster. >> this is still a breaking story. we have no idea whether they will capture this person, whether he will go down in a hail of bullets. hopefully no other officers or their families will be hurt. thank you to you both. i appreciate it. my two brothers are named joe and jeff, it's nice to have you
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two together. up next, drones. they are not just for tracking and killing terrorists. they could be flying over your neighborhood, over your kids' school. just how legal is that? and do we even know what kind of mess we got ourselves into with this? that's coming up.
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they are versatile reliable affordable and sometimes real
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lethal. maximum bang for minimum buck. we talked about drones, unmanned remotely piloted aircraft in the context of u.s. terror fighting efforts overseas. but drones aren't just for governments or militaries or even police any more. in fact, anybody can buy one. not armed with missiles, thank god. but armed with cameras. in fact we have flown them around the newsroom here in new york. that's a shot of flying it around the fifth floor outside of my office, hovering over one of his colleague's desks. i don't know what he was able to read. but he used his smart phone to maneuver it. there are even drones that look like humming birds, teeny tiny. it is the cover story of time magazine, rise of the drones, in small print what happens when they are unleashed at home? it's also our topic for our legal panel. you know our senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin i'
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joined via skype by matt weight, founder of the journalism group as the university of nebraska. i didn't know there was a lab, a drone journalism program. matt, that's the question. we are at a point we actually do need to study this, because our technology seems to be getting ahead of our morals. >> i don't know about our morals. but certainly ahead of our laws. the technology is advancing so fast, actually the thing you can claim the most credit for is your smart phone. the fact we are spending billions of dollars on these phones means batteries are getting smaller and processing is getting better. that technology can be used in all kinds of places. >> when you look at the notion of bringing these drones back into sort of civilian applications, it sounds sinister off the bat. but there are remarkable applications that are very beneficial to everyone, when it comes to drones in the united
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states. >> there are. my favorite kind of benign example is let's pretend for a second you and i own a golf course. we feel guilty, because we dump millions of gallons of water on the grass to keep it green. we know we are wasting some of it, because some places don't need water. if we had a small uav that could measure how much water was on the ground we could water more efficiently. that water would be around for people to drink or farmers to grow food with. it goes well beyond law enforcement and military. >> i have a small list i just came up with off the top of my head. farmers, realtors, police, hollywood wanting to do more movie filming, builders who want to survey their land, border patrol. there's so many different applications. jeff toobin jump in if you will. there's a little thing called the fourth amendment. i often wonder search and seizure, being secure in our persons and our papers, don't drones and the applications of drones at home and little
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hummingbird drones and bee size drones come into conflict with that? >> the courts are starting to struggle with those issues. there is -- most of the time they rule that the drones, it is legal for the cops to use drones. there was a case about a family that was suspected of growing pot in their backyard. they sent a drone over to photograph, saw pot, and got a warrant to do the search. that was ruled constitutional. if the drone can see it from above your house, the cops can look at it. in that case, i don't think anybody worries too much about it. but in general, it does raise big privacy concerns. >> i love the pictures of the cop flying -- looks like a mini helicopter with a camera. but at least one jurisdiction, charlottesville, has banned the use of drones in its air space. that's symbolic. there is no way they or any other city can do that. >> there are as the gentleman said so many benign, good uses
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of drones, whether it's watering a golf course -- >> whose in control of the skies? >> at the moment it's a free for all. the faa is in control of aircraft. but you don't need an faa permit to fly a drone here in the newsroom at cnn or outside your house. not yet. >> that's the critical issue. jeff toobin, i do appreciate it. thanks so much. and also, that's a fascinating program, matt wait you are involved in. thanks for being with us today. joey jackson will return to our panel, a domestic abuse victim in court supporting her former abuser. and it just ain't anybody, it's rihanna and chris brown. what does the judge have to say about this? what do you have to say about this one? it's coming up.
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so i think you know by now every day i look at the new york post, i get six papers, this is my first one, i always love the headlines i wasn't so crazy about this headline, beat this. that's chris brown leaving court and right behind him that's rihanna, back together again as a couple and in court as well. it's hard to believe it was four years ago tomorrow that rihanna was beaten up by chris brown right before the big party at the grammy awards. it made massive headlines, especially after she testified against him. but now rihanna is standing by
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brown in a brand new court battle over whether he faked the number of hours he put into his community service. that was all part of his plea deal. did he do what he was supposed to. back with us is jeffrey toobin, senior legal analyst. and also former federal prosecutor, and also joey jackson, a criminal defense attorney and dear friend of this program. first let me just say chris brown's defense attorney is mark geragos and is calling these allegations absolutely false. so it matters now what happens in court. and rihanna is sitting front and center in that gallery. she may not have spoken but just sitting there speaks louder than words. i'll throw that out to you. does it just matter that she showed up? >> it does. there are two issues obviously here, ashleigh. one is whether or not he did the community service. as to that issue, her appearance is not really relevant. what is relevant is documentation to show that he did in virginia community
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service that was owed in los angeles. now, on the other issue as to the charges themselves it's always relevant, when you have a domestic violence case when you have a victim who is supporting you. trust me this happens so often. i remember as a prosecutor, it was so difficult to move forward in cases like this, ashleigh, because the victim today, i want him in jail forever. and tomorrow, i love him and want him back. emotions change, times change. that's what happens. >> while we get credit sized in the media for covering cease stories when there's big celebrities, these bring eyeballs to an important issue that joey jackson brought up. this happens all the time. those who are abused come back to their abusers. >> it's worth it to remember, when we have criminal prosecutions, it's not victim versus defendant. it's the state, it's the federal government versus the defendant. because when you commit an act of domestic violence, it's not
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just a crime against the specific victim, it's a crime against society. so prosecutors correctly more and more are saying look, we are not going to drop a case just because a victim doesn't feel like testifying today. domestic violence is a crime that affects us all. it affects children. it affects the society. so many prosecutors now are forcing victims, usually women to go to court and testify about what happened. and i think that's a good thing. >> and if it's not rihanna many experts will say it will be someone else. to your point, jeff toobin, if it's not her, the next person could be one in society who is victimized. i hope he gets his act together. i hope whatever punishment he had to go through has had an effect. i am flat out of time with this one. this has been a great conversation. like i said, we bring these stories, because at least because they are celebs, people look at the issue and they will know about the issues.
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and they are critical issues. thank you for weighing in on this. the judge has scheduled chris brown for another hearing on this issue in april. so stay tuned. [ woman ] my boyfriend and i were going on vacation, so i used my citi thankyou card to pick up some accessories. a new belt. some nylons. and what girl wouldn't need new shoes? and with all the points i've been earning, i was able to get us a flight to our favorite climbing spot even on a holiday weekend. ♪ things are definitely looking up. [ male announcer ] with no blackout dates, you can use your citi thankyou points to travel whenever you want. visit to apply.
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